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Don’t register dot-ca domains, especially from OpenSRS

25 June 2026 06:55:52 +0000

It’s difficult to make recommendations like this, because it’s a recommendation against two very big and rich (although not respected) companies, but I’ve dealt with both for over thirty years, and I think that gives me some significant say in the matter. I made the same recommendation for dot-zm domains sometime ago, and I had very good reasons then, but once we were accepted into the very elite club of domain registrars, we rescinded our recommendation, and now we strongly recommend that you register your dot-zm domains through Preworx, the best and only sane registrar in Zambia.

I’ve had problems with CIRA since about 1 December 2000 (which you’ll recognise as the day they took over dot-ca from John Demco and UBC), and that includes saying one thing and doing another. Some of them are documented (Dot-ca domain registry changes, 12 October 2010), and some I’d have to piece together almost three decades later from documentation I still have on my machine, or can piece together from data I will eventually recover from my back-up provider.

My issue today was that I eventually gave up on waiting for them to reply to an email. I opened a support ticket in the new usual manner at OpenSRS/Tucows — NinerNet’s domain registrar — on 5 June 2026. On 10 June — only five days later — I received my one and only reply from them, asking for a PIN that I could view in my control panel. Sure, no problem, I’ll get that for you. I got it and sent it to them, expecting (after five days) that I’d get an immediate response on the fast-as-the-speed-of-light communication medium that email is, and we’d have my issue sorted out within five minutes. But … nothing. Here I am twenty days later (that’s almost three weeks), and nobody has checked to see if my PIN is correct.

So several days later, on 16 June, after warning OpenSRS/Tucows, that I would do so, I eventually opened another support ticket, this time with CIRA. I eventually, on 19 June (only three days later) received again my one and only reply, to ask for information that I had already given them in the contact form. I replied with that information, and the suggestion that if they ask for information on a contact form, it makes sense for them to use it. Crickets.

So after being kept in suspense by both OpenSRS/Tucows and CIRA for a combined total of 30 days, today I did that radical thing called picking up the phone. After listening to recorded BS for two full minutes, I eventually started talking to Gerard, who apparently has never heard of courtesy and went silent while he was doing stuff instead of being polite enough to say, “One moment, please, while I look up some information.” That very quickly lead to us getting our wires crossed, him talking over me, then me talking over him, then him sarcastically requesting that I let him finish, even though his solution to my problem was to contact the registrar, even though their ignoring me was the very reason I was contact the registry! Eventually he managed to get out that I just need to be patient (!) and wait for their email. So absolutely no solution from the registry, as I still haven’t heard from them the next day. I guess they’re blacklisted.

So in frustration, after that ten-minute phone call, I went back to my OpenSRS/Tucows control panel to try something. The records for two of my domains had, somehow, turned from “records” that stated the data associated with those domains and their status, into “drafts”. That was precisely why I had contacted OpenSRS/Tucows, to get them to explain to me why, and to turn them back into “records” I could work with. What I eventually noticed, is that when I have a “draft” open, the whole screen acts as a sort of modal window/dialogue, and besides the relatively obvious save/submit button(s) in the bottom, right hand corner, there is a “delete draft” link in the bottom, left hand corner! Actually, I did notice this before, but this lead me to contact OpenSRS/Tucows to ask my easily answerable question, because I was concerned that if I deleted my draft I might be deleting the domain too, which was definitely not what I wanted to do!

At my wits’ end now, I decided to throw caution to the wind and click the “delete draft” link. Right away I had the answer to my question: I was not deleting the domain, but just whatever work I had performed a few weeks ago. (I don’t even remember what it was; I don’t care any more.) So now I could do whatever I wanted with the domain, and I renewed it. And then I immediately noted the domain’s “auth code”, and I transferred it to a new registrar. And then I deleted the draft of a second domain, and immediately transferred it as well. There is just no reason for me to stay with OpenSRS/Tucows any more.

That leaves me with 21 domains in my account, which I will transfer out piecemeal over the next few months as they come up for renewal. The vast majority of my domains are elsewhere, but that registrar (RRPproxy) is on borrowed time too.

I did make one mistake; transferring one domain out so soon after I renewed it meant that, although I paid for a year’s renewal at my new registrar, I didn’t get that renewal. I should have known that, as I have encountered this little wrinkle in the domain process before, despite how infuriating it must be to be surprised by this for the first time. No big deal though; whatever it cost me to get away from OpenSRS/Tucows, it was worth it.

Tucows used to be not just a good company; they were an excellent company, and I say that about precious few companies these days. They got the domain business; that’s how they’re the fourth biggest domain registrar in the world. They used to be the third though (and I think the second before that), and with the way they’re going, they’ll be the 33rd next week and then the 133rd the week after that. Elliot Noss specifically got the domain business, but OpenSRS/Tucows seems to have been taken over for quite a few years by bean counters who don’t get the domain business. Before the bean counters came along, OpenSRS was a leader in our business. They held ICANN’s feet to the fire, and they were responsible for so much good in ICANN. And now they’re coasting. I used to be able to whip up a quick email to a particular email address (you know the one), go to bed, and know without fail that I’d have an answer, and maybe even a resolution, in the morning. But no more. They improved their support by requiring us to use a form, and they think that three weeks (and counting) is just fine to wait for them to get up off their fat asses to reply.

OpenSRS joked (when they still had a sense of humour) that the eighties called, and they wanted their control panel back. We’re now almost in the 2030s and the eighties still want their control panel back. That control panel I described earlier is still only half done, and I still have to use the eighties version to get some stuff done. It’s 2026 and it’s not a joke any more.

  • Elliot, your control panel is a joke.
  • Your support is a joke.
  • There are kids today who don’t even realise that you’re responsible for much of the good in ICANN.
  • I’ve lost patience with you.
  • I’m done.

As for CIRA, they’re not even worth wasting any ink over. If CIRA, who go on about being a “member-based” organisation as if it actually meant they cared about their members, went out of business today, nobody would notice, but if OpenSRS/Tucows went out of business today, everyone would notice.

iCash.ca domain on auction

29 December 2013 01:18:35 +0000

We are selling the domain iCash.ca, and it is currently on auction until Thursday 2 January 2014 at 15:11 EST (20:11 UTC, 3:11 pm Eastern Standard Time). (See the World Time Server to calculate the time in your time zone.) The minimum bid to surpass the current bid, which has met the reserve price, is US$1050. Please visit the auction website, run by the domain brokerage Sedo, to place your bid.

Because the reserve price has been met, according to Sedo rules the domain will sell at the end of the auction, so if you want to buy it you need to bid on it now.

With the ubiquitous “i” prefix everywhere these days, iCash.ca could be used to promote a banking app for mobile phones — the iPhone in particular, of course.

If you have any questions, please contact NinerNet support. However, please note that all bidding and payment transactions (including escrow) must take place through Sedo on their website.

Domain iCash.ca up for auction right now

20 March 2011 01:27:21 +0000

We have, over the years, acquired a number of domains which we have not yet used for anticipated projects. One of these — iCash.ca — is currently in a seven-day auction which ends on Thursday 24 March at 18:55 EDT (15:55 PDT, 22:55 UTC). (See the World Time Server to calculate the time in your time zone.)

With the ubiquitous “i” prefix everywhere these days, iCash.ca could be used to promote a banking app for mobile phones — the iPhone in particular, of course.

If you’re interested in acquiring this domain, please place your bid at the Afternic website by Thursday. Thank-you.

Technical contact update for domain registrations

30 October 2010 11:18:35 +0000

All domains registered with NinerNet that have NinerNet listed as the technical contact were updated on 19 October to include a working phone number for the technical contact. Please note, however, that this phone number is not a point of contact for NinerNet clients. (Frankly, while it’s a working number and is monitored, its sole purpose it to avoid time-wasting telemarketers.) Actually, all of the contact information we use for domain registrations is not for the use of clients: Postal mail is not collected regularly, and email to the email address is heavily filtered to allow only email from certain domain registries and registrars through. Please refer to our contact page for contact information for clients.

Owners of dot-ca domains may notice that the name of the technical contact (where NinerNet is listed) is shown as “Domian Adnimistrator” [sic]. This intentional misspelling is because CIRA (as a result of a recent, but unannounced, policy change) doesn’t allow the “name” field to contain certain generic words. This doesn’t make sense, as people can come and go from a company, while positions generally remain the same. In fact, the “role account” has a long and distinguished history when it comes to domain registrations that dates back at least as far as the 1990s.

Vital update for registrants of existing third- and fourth-level dot-ca domains!

12 October 2010 05:30:03 +0000

5 October 2010 (original posting date on NinerNet website)

Further to our email of 17 September regarding the upcoming changes that the Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) is making to the dot-ca domain system, we have some new news that really is vital for you to know if the following conditions all apply to your dot-ca domain:

  • You own a third-level dot-ca domain (e.g., example.bc.ca) or a fourth-level dot-ca domain (e.g., example.vancouver.bc.ca), AND
  • The second level of your domain (e.g., example.ca) is not registered, AND
  • Nobody else has your name registered at another provincial level (e.g., you own example.bc.ca and someone else owns example.on.ca).

This email is being sent only to those clients we know meet all of the above three criteria.

Contrary to what we were told by CIRA last month, if you do not register your domain at the second level (e.g., example.ca) before 12 October, you will not be able to do so on or after 12 October. Your domain at the second level (e.g., example.ca) will be indefinitely blocked. You will still have the use of your third- or fourth-level domain unless or until you let it expire. In fact, the only way, after 12 October, for you to register your domain at the second level will be to allow any other domains you have at the third and fourth level to expire. Even then, there is no mechanism in place that gives you first dibs on your domain at the second level, so if someone is quicker on their mouse than you at the moment your third- or fourth-level domain expires (a moment that cannot be predicted with any certainty or guarantee), they might get it before you and you will completely lose your rights to your name.

With the above new information in mind, please contact us immediately (or at the very least on or before Monday, 11 October) if you want to register your dot-ca domain at the second level before you lose that ability permanently. We’ll be following up this email with personal phone calls today and tomorrow to ensure that you’re fully aware of the situation.

Dot-ca domain registry changes, 12 October 2010

11 October 2010 23:53:53 +0000

17 September 2010 (original posting date on NinerNet website)

Overview

In October, the Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) will be making sweeping changes to their system for registering dot-ca domains. However, they have done almost nothing to communicate details about these coming changes to dot-ca domain holders and the Canadian public at large — i.e., potential dot-ca domain registrants. We got wind of these changes last week, but it took until this week for us to be able to extract the details below from CIRA after a flurry of emails and a phone call this week.

In the middle of all of that, CIRA did finally send an extremely vague email to dot-ca domain registrants. We received our copy on 10 September; the subject of the email was “Information Regarding the New .CA Registry”. This held about as much detail — i.e., almost none — as the press release on the CIRA website and the FAQ buried so deep you could be forgiven for missing it. There is another page on the CIRA website with slightly more detail, but the only reason we know about that is because the address was given to us over the phone earlier this week.

An opportunity

But in all of this complaining about the lack of communication from CIRA, there’s actually a potential fun side to consider. It’s worth reading (or skipping) to the end, because this is a time-limited opportunity to own a rather unique — and potentially amusing — piece of Canadian Internet history. For example, consider the-canucks-rule-in.vancouver.bc.ca. Or how about this odd domain?: i-need-directions-to.toronto.bc.ca.

5 OCTOBER 2010: Vital update for registrants of existing third- and fourth-level dot-ca domains!

Further to our email of 17 September regarding the upcoming changes that the Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) is making to the dot-ca domain system, we have some new news that really is vital for you to know if the following conditions all apply to your dot-ca domain:

  • You own a third-level dot-ca domain (e.g., example.bc.ca) or a fourth-level dot-ca domain (e.g., example.vancouver.bc.ca), AND
  • The second level of your domain (e.g., example.ca) is not registered, AND
  • Nobody else has your name registered at another provincial level (e.g., you own example.bc.ca and someone else owns example.on.ca).

This email is being sent only to those clients we know meet all of the above three criteria.

Contrary to what we were told by CIRA last month, if you do not register your domain at the second level (e.g., example.ca) before 12 October, you will not be able to do so on or after 12 October. Your domain at the second level (e.g., example.ca) will be indefinitely blocked. You will still have the use of your third- or fourth-level domain unless or until you let it expire. In fact, the only way, after 12 October, for you to register your domain at the second level will be to allow any other domains you have at the third and fourth level to expire. Even then, there is no mechanism in place that gives you first dibs on your domain at the second level, so if someone is quicker on their mouse than you at the moment your third- or fourth-level domain expires (a moment that cannot be predicted with any certainty or guarantee), they might get it before you and you will completely lose your rights to your name.

With the above new information in mind, please contact us immediately (or at the very least on or before Monday, 11 October) if you want to register your dot-ca domain at the second level before you lose that ability permanently. We’ll be following up this email with personal phone calls today and tomorrow to ensure that you’re fully aware of the situation.

But seriously …

But first the serious stuff. Unfortunately, the email from CIRA mentioned above leaves out some very important information that is nowhere to be found on the CIRA website. Even the important information that is available is buried, and it was only through a series of emails with CIRA (before they sent out the email on 10 September) and a twenty-minute phone call this week that we managed to extract the apparently top secret information below.

As of the date (see below for dates) of the overhaul of the dot-ca registry:

  • Third- and fourth-level dot-ca domains will no longer be allowed.
  • Domains will be automatically renewed.
  • Registrant profiles will cease to exist.

At the moment, despite our attempts to clarify the process of automatic renewal with CIRA, this aspect is still unclear. It should not mean that you are automatically charged for another year on your domain unless you opt out. Certainly, that’s not what it will mean if your dot-ca domain is registered with NinerNet, if we have any say in the matter. The last point on registrant profiles is actually a good thing; the old system of registrant profiles was a dog’s breakfast, to put it politely.

Third- and fourth-level domains?

The first point — on third- and fourth-level domains — is the one of interest to us, and will affect different people in different ways. The most important thing though is that, if you already own (or register before the cutover) a third- or fourth-level dot-ca domain, you will get to keep it. (Don’t ever let it expire though, or you will lose it forever.)

But what are third- and fourth-level domains anyway? Here are some examples:

  • Fourth-level domain: yourname.vancouver.bc.ca
  • Third-level domain: yourname.bc.ca
  • Second-level domain: yourname.ca

This is how the coming changes will affect people:

  • In the future you will only be able to register yourname.ca, not yourname.bc.ca or yourname.vancouver.bc.ca.
  • Even if you already own yourname.bc.ca and so have the right to register yourname.on.ca or yourname.winnipeg.mb.ca before anyone else, you will no longer be able to register anything but yourname.ca, assuming it’s available.
  • If, due to grandfathering, you own yourname.bc.ca and someone else owns yourname.sk.ca, there will still be a block on registering yourname.ca.
  • If you own yourname.bc.ca and nobody else owns yourname.ca or yourname.XX.ca (where XX is a provincial or territorial abbreviation), then you will still have a block on yourname.ca — i.e., nobody but you can register yourname.ca. THIS IS NO LONGER THE CASE! Please see the update in the pink box at the top of the page.

When does this go into effect?

When does all of this take place? The new system officially goes into effect at 6:00 am Pacific time on Tuesday 12 October, and the dot-ca registry will be offline during the transition until 6:00 am Pacific time on Wednesday 13 October. (CIRA has decreed that there be no overlap period, so it better work right the first time!) However, there is a lead-in period of one week before 12 October during which there will be a moratorium on certain activities. (To be on the safe side, consider 4 October to be your deadline to all intents and purposes.) All of these are activities that require you to log into the CIRA website to confirm your choices — which is most things outside of changing the technical contact for your domain. If you have any concerns about your dot-ca domain and what you might want to do with it between now and the middle of October, please contact NinerNet support for details, or see the CIRA website for details.

There are two notable exceptions, as far as we have been able determine:

  • There will be no interruption of the registration of new domains.
  • If you want to register a “Conflicting Domain Name”, you must do so by 27 September. For example, you own yourname.bc.ca and want to register yourname.ab.ca, but someone already owns yourname.nl.ca. This is considered a “Conflicting Domain Name” and you cannot register yourname.ab.ca without the express consent of the owner of yourname.nl.ca. Because you will not be able to register yourname.ab.ca at all after 12 October, if you have any designs on this type of domain you must take action before 27 September.

Why register a third- or fourth-level domain?

But besides all of the above, the next few weeks are your last chance to own a third- or fourth-level dot-ca domain. Thousands of them exist. Here are some:

Besides simply wanting to own a .XX.ca domain, there’s a good reason to own them if you’re an organisation or business with distinct units in multiple provinces and territories. Consider the fictitious XYZ Corporation. The head office website and email would be on the xyzcorp.ca domain, while the Yukon office would use the xyzcorp.yk.ca domain for their email and website. And so on. It sure beats xyzcorpcanada.com and xyzcorpcanadayukon.com.

Now for the fun stuff

Apart from the fact that third- and fourth-level dot-ca domains are going the way of the dodo bird, and so you might want to grab your own piece of Canadian Internet history while you can, how about having some fun with it? Consider domains like the following, with or without the hyphens:

  • Advertise where you live:
    • craig-lives-in.vancouver.bc.ca
  • Advertise what you’re looking for and where:
    • looking-for-a-good-time-in.fredericton.nb.ca
  • Say something political:
    • i-say-no-hst-in.bc.ca
    • say-no-to-hst-in.bc.ca
  • Show how much of a sports fan you are:
    • the-canucks-rule-in.vancouver.bc.ca
    • the-maple-leafs-suck-in.toronto.on.ca
  • Steal the prime minister’s identity:
    • stephenh.ottawa.on.ca

I don’t know why I didn’t think of this years ago, but there’s nothing to stop you from getting your provinces and cities confused. In a slap-myself-on-the-forehead moment (I should have used hyphens so it would be easier to read), I registered iamsolostin.toronto.bc.ca. Try it. It works! Think about these possibilities:

  • Heard the one about the Conservatives moving the capital to Alberta?:
    • stephenh.ottawa.ab.ca
  • More along the lines of being dazed and confused:
    • we-are-lost-in.winnipeg.sk.ca
    • where-am-i-now.toronto.bc.ca
    • confused-in.calgary.qc.ca

All of these and more are available (as of this writing) for registration.

Conclusion

Now you know more than most people about the extensive changes CIRA is planning to make to the dot-ca registry effective 12 October 2010. Of course, all of this is subject to the whims and rules of CIRA, so if and when they publish more detailed information you should defer to that.

If you have any questions or concerns, or need to register a new third- or fourth-level domain before it’s too late (or even a second-level dot-ca domain per the update at the top of this page), please contact NinerNet support.

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